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Old Aug 03, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29   #61
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just make lower area arena's playable in armor 40 or less and the problem is solved for the PvP people. As a PvE person, I appreciate the access to Droknar when ever I like to go there. Cause the PvE people are not complaining, its the arena battle people that are and its not fair to make the game the way they want it and screw over the rest of us.
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Old Aug 03, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52   #62
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just make lower area arena's playable in armor 40 or less and the problem is solved for the PvP people. As a PvE person, I appreciate the access to Droknar when ever I like to go there. Cause the PvE people are not complaining, its the arena battle people that are and its not fair to make the game the way they want it and screw over the rest of us.

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Old Aug 03, 2005, 07:56 PM // 19:56   #63
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Agreed and Id be happy with that solution and the one proposed regarding Elite Skills......maybe you can only equip skills in ascalon, higher skills in yaks.....elite skills in higher up arenas etc.....should work...with I cant remember whjo said the little error msg you cant enter with such and such a skill. And everyones happy...
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Old Aug 03, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03   #64
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just make lower area arena's playable in armor 40 or less and the problem is solved for the PvP people. As a PvE person, I appreciate the access to Droknar when ever I like to go there. Cause the PvE people are not complaining, its the arena battle people that are and its not fair to make the game the way they want it and screw over the rest of us.
I play PvE and I'm complaining .....
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Old Aug 03, 2005, 11:23 PM // 23:23   #65
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I play PvE and I'm complaining .....
Maybe there needs to be a Runners Channel so we can all turn it off and never see RUNNING spam.
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Old Aug 03, 2005, 11:40 PM // 23:40   #66
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God, I've stated this before and I'll say it again.

I DON'T MIND THE RUSHING TO THE 1333333333337 AREAS.
I don't mind that you wear your armor in Missions and quests and etc, don't mind that you'd rather play an easy game. That's not the point I'm raising in this topic.

It's all about WEARING that armor and USING the later game skills IN the arena.
You can screw your game as much as you want, just don't use your uber leet armor and skills in the lowbie arenas.

And I don't think the arenas are unbalanced. 1v1, my lv 9 necro can do a pretty good job on any class. So could my mesmer back when he was that low.
Seriously, people that use the Drok armor and skills just to pwn Yak's Bend and Ascalon arenas need to grow up.
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 12:18 AM // 00:18   #67
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So what do you do when you level to 11 in match at Ascalon? Ot Level to 16 in Yaks? Is that not an advantage. That's just as unfai as using drankor's?
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 01:42 AM // 01:42   #68
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Heck, with all of this complaining about anything and everything, seeing the nerf bat everywhere, people need to learn to stop arguing about what they think they want.

Alright, this debate is about limiting items for the lower arenas because of people pwning newbz (for the lack of a better term, not meant to be derogatory) with their uber 15k armor/droks armors/elite skills. If people choose to do this, let them. Why? Because it is their choice of gameplay.

Here are two examples of nerfs / mods done so far.
PvPers can now unlock points with faction with "pwning" peoples for faction.
Item drops have been lowered because of farming.

Because of PvPers complaining about no rewards in PvP combat, they ranted and got what they wanted: the whole faction system. Not that great, but hey, it's there.
Others complained about how farmers were screwing the economy, and the drops were lowered significantly (to my knowledge).

People complain about what they THINK they want. It's understandable that people get annoyed by the 15k/elite skills in ascalon/yaks arena. Its happened to me as well, for no more than 3 days ago I saw a random group all using elites and what looked like the 15k armors. Sure its annoying, but just live with it. Running around with a kleenex looking for a nerf stick because you got your ass handed to you by someone with their elites and uber armors is no reason to base an argument.

No more is it the same for someone to complain about farmers screwing the economy by farming near 24/7. If they put forth the effort to do something, let them. Don't go crying to the developers because someone is playing the game a different way that you are.
But look what happened? The RNG (random number generator) for drop rates was altered, and now drops lessened. And now people who probably complained about farmers are now complaining about drop rates. Don't lie and say it hasn't.

Just read this and look at what is being stated.
People are running to droks, skipping ascension just so they have a little better armor than you would in, say, Yak's Bend or the Ascalon arena. This is their choice of play, and it is no more different from someone who farms/pvps/runs for their enjoyment.

"Just because someone hurt your feelings in a duel because they have progressed further than you is no reason to yell nerf bat."

Go ahead and complain all you want, but look at your basis for a nerf: Someone beat you down because they ran further than you, and spent time to go elite hunting. It is very annoying, point taken, when someone opposing you has this advantage. But isn't advantage and strategy what pvp is all about...?

at the rate nerfs are going, we're going to have lvl requirements on all items, drop rates are almost nothing if you aren't ascended, ascension, you can't zone unless you're grouped because of farming, UW requires full group because of soloers...
With what has happened and what people complain about, I wouldn't be surprised if a number of nerfs are implemented by the time summer is out.
/sigh
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 02:31 AM // 02:31   #69
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["Just because someone hurt your feelings in a duel because they have progressed further than you is no reason to yell nerf bat." ]

That's YOUR OPINION and not mine and many many many others, so in this case your opinion is wrong and ours is right and the ole nerf bat is a commin I can hear it round the bend and I'm very happy with the recent nerfs to drops so there. Pfft!
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 03:29 AM // 03:29   #70
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i got droks armor in the ascalon pvp, and i do it when i bored of missions and its easier to get lvl that way besides missions. and droks armor doesn't mkae it impossible to kill, mesmers can easily kill a drok armor warrior or whatever, so can smiting monks. conditions is the way to kill a droks guy.
but if u wanna make it so low lvls can't have droks armor, make it so u have to either be ascended to wear it, or a str/tactics/etc... requirements that would make the game alot more interesting. ur build would make a huge difference on what type of armor u can field.
now i exploit the use of droks in the ascalon arenas. i was not the first to do it, and i hardly do it. if u want to change the use of droks in pvp, make it so u can't even use the armor at a certain lvl.
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 02:07 PM // 14:07   #71
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Heck, with all of this complaining about anything and everything, seeing the nerf bat everywhere, people need to learn to stop arguing about what they think they want.
FFS, I'm not asking to nerf the goddamn armors and skills and whatever. JUST DON'T ALLOW THEIR USE IN THE ARENAS. Is it so hard to understand?

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Alright, this debate is about limiting items for the lower arenas because of people pwning newbz (for the lack of a better term, not meant to be derogatory) with their uber 15k armor/droks armors/elite skills. If people choose to do this, let them. Why? Because it is their choice of gameplay.
It's an ill choice of gameplay that ruins the fun of many others. And I'm sure many people agree with me that that choice of gameplay has gone way too far.

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Here are two examples of nerfs / mods done so far.
PvPers can now unlock points with faction with "pwning" peoples for faction.
Item drops have been lowered because of farming.
Because of PvPers complaining about no rewards in PvP combat, they ranted and got what they wanted: the whole faction system. Not that great, but hey, it's there.
Others complained about how farmers were screwing the economy, and the drops were lowered significantly (to my knowledge).
Complain about that somewhere else. This is strictly about lower level arenas. Not a rant about if changing something is good or not. I don't think that changing the arenas will change anything at all in the game.

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People complain about what they THINK they want. It's understandable that people get annoyed by the 15k/elite skills in ascalon/yaks arena. Its happened to me as well, for no more than 3 days ago I saw a random group all using elites and what looked like the 15k armors. Sure its annoying, but just live with it. Running around with a kleenex looking for a nerf stick because you got your ass handed to you by someone with their elites and uber armors is no reason to base an argument.
It's not about having my ass handed. I wouldn't mind that if it was in a fair battle. But people insist on getting rushed for getting 1337 skills and armor. Ffs, grow up. And yes, it IS base to an argument.

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No more is it the same for someone to complain about farmers screwing the economy by farming near 24/7. If they put forth the effort to do something, let them. Don't go crying to the developers because someone is playing the game a different way that you are.
But look what happened? The RNG (random number generator) for drop rates was altered, and now drops lessened. And now people who probably complained about farmers are now complaining about drop rates. Don't lie and say it hasn't.
Said before, this thread is about the lower level arenas.

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Just read this and look at what is being stated.
People are running to droks, skipping ascension just so they have a little better armor than you would in, say, Yak's Bend or the Ascalon arena. This is their choice of play, and it is no more different from someone who farms/pvps/runs for their enjoyment.
A "little better armor"? Warriors get 100 armor and that's a "little" more defense? For hell's sake, someone who's going through the first time in their game damage those warriors for 1.

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"Just because someone hurt your feelings in a duel because they have progressed further than you is no reason to yell nerf bat."
No comments. Nothing like an egostitical quote to make you think you owned the whole point.

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Go ahead and complain all you want, but look at your basis for a nerf: Someone beat you down because they ran further than you, and spent time to go elite hunting. It is very annoying, point taken, when someone opposing you has this advantage. But isn't advantage and strategy what pvp is all about...?
I don't think there's an strategy to this. Let's take Lineage 2 for an example. You just can't beat someone who has skills and armor that top yours. The same is true in here. A Droknar rusher warrior needs to do nothing but stand there and take the hits. Even if you focus on him, a healing breeze might just take him to full health. Now you take out all of his comrades. The time you took doing that already got 2 or 3 of your team down. Is this fair? I don't think so.

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at the rate nerfs are going, we're going to have lvl requirements on all items, drop rates are almost nothing if you aren't ascended, ascension, you can't zone unless you're grouped because of farming, UW requires full group because of soloers...
With what has happened and what people complain about, I wouldn't be surprised if a number of nerfs are implemented by the time summer is out.
/sigh
I don't mind the nerfs. I play for fun. And seriously, Droknar rushers in the early arenas really piss me off.
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 02:41 PM // 14:41   #72
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I'll go ahead and just say again that I support Level caps for armors OR armor rating based on level.

Skills "could" just be limited to what you can get in and up to the arena you're in. It should be a simple matter of an approved list at each point. If your skill doesn't match that list, you're out.

But skill-limits and such could be an awful lot of coding to eliminate loop holes and different bugs that would crop up. So it could be a while before we see this.
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33   #73
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If you can't beat them, join them. All these people are doing is enjoying their wealth. Deal with it.

If Arena.net listened to everyone who whines, then nothing would ever happen. Say they made an 'armor and skill cap' for Ascalon Arenas. Someone would surely complain about this and they'd change it back.

If you don't like it, don't PvP. If you want to PvP, get to the Lion's Arch Arena...
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 04:40 PM // 16:40   #74
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Sorry I still dont agree with lvl dependant armor because it nerfs the hell outta poeple who play pve and want the armor there.
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49   #75
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Sorry I still dont agree with lvl dependant armor because it nerfs the hell outta poeple who play pve and want the armor there.
Why? I can't think of a MMORPG off the top of my head that doesn't have level dependant or level capped armor. You can play through the game easily with the armor that is representative of the level. You may argue that GW isn't a MMORPG and that could be true but still what's the rush?...pardon the pun.
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Since all this is centered around the arena experience and it involves both armors and skills... why not leave the armor and skills exactly as they are. Change the arenas.

Once your character enters a city with an attached arena, you can no longer compete in the previous arenas. So Ascalon is available until you reach Yak's, Yak's until you reach Lions Arch, and so on. Sure there might be some folks that just progress normally through the game and get to Yak's before they would have stopped playing in the Ascalon arena, but those would be the minority. Entering the arena's is alredy checked against level, so why not have it also check to see if you've made it to the city that has the next arena?

So now those folks that choose to go get armor... enter Droks and are flagged as only able to compete in Droks arena. Yes, someone could get run to Copperhammer or Marhan's grotto for the 15k armor without touching Droknars, but the developers can find those "gateway" cities that everyone has to pass through (rankor for example) or areas (Snake Dance) and add that to the list of "If you've been here then you can't go back to xxxx arena".

This follows the progression of the story and flows folks into competing in the higher level arenas AND leaves the low level arenas for those folks that really are low level.
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Old Aug 04, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53   #77
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If you can't beat them, join them. All these people are doing is enjoying their wealth. Deal with it.

If Arena.net listened to everyone who whines, then nothing would ever happen. Say they made an 'armor and skill cap' for Ascalon Arenas. Someone would surely complain about this and they'd change it back.

If you don't like it, don't PvP. If you want to PvP, get to the Lion's Arch Arena...
They can enjoy their wealth somewhere else. Just don't ruin other people's PvP experience.

And why don't the people in Drok armors don't go to LA Arena? Because there they aren't advantageous. They can't "pwn" anyone there. C'mon, grow up. I'm pretty sure you're one of them.
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Since all this is centered around the arena experience and it involves both armors and skills... why not leave the armor and skills exactly as they are. Change the arenas.
Since this thread's topic only mentions the arenas, I don't want to go into too much detail. People who rush to get high end armor I think hurt the PvE end as well. Nevermind the fact that someone has to zone warp them through... It affects the economy because no one is interested in the gathering/selling of materials needed for the the other armor inbetween. If everyone immediately got the best armor and weapons, there really would be no need for any armors or weapon in between. There is no real mutual dependancy on anyone except to be rushed, dyes and high end items.

While I'm not a dev for this game I'm not sure they went through all the trouble to have different armor sets in different level ranges so that people could ignore them and skip to the best.
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While I'm not a dev for this game I'm not sure they went through all the trouble to have different armor sets in different level ranges so that people could ignore them and skip to the best.
i find this funny cause for so long poeple are waiting for updated textures for the 15K armors etc ... (now i think they got em all) ... but have all the low level armors no one needs? lol

although it hurts the low level armor material economy it boost new business in community orientated aspect of running, jacks the values of dyes (what is it 20K for black now?), and in all honesty if they close it down, I would just use collectors stuff and save my money. Poeple have knowledge, thats why they dont buy the low armors. if they close it ... people will still ascend and buy runs from ascalon > ascention.
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Since this thread's topic only mentions the arenas, I don't want to go into too much detail. People who rush to get high end armor I think hurt the PvE end as well. Nevermind the fact that someone has to zone warp them through... It affects the economy because no one is interested in the gathering/selling of materials needed for the the other armor inbetween. If everyone immediately got the best armor and weapons, there really would be no need for any armors or weapon in between. There is no real mutual dependancy on anyone except to be rushed, dyes and high end items.

While I'm not a dev for this game I'm not sure they went through all the trouble to have different armor sets in different level ranges so that people could ignore them and skip to the best.
You said it soooooo well, yes, rushing screws with the economy as well by what you stated. Bypassing the need to upgrade armor several times instead of just once. But, fortunately the npc merchant market does flucuate on a few things so at least I can get some salvation from the wasted salvages that I was hoping to sell to other players that don't require 1/3rd the amount anymore.

I still say max damage weapons should require at least a 12, that would eliminate a lot of the buying of just the best weapons in the game in the early stages, putting 12 points into a weapons status takes quite a bit of attribute points that aren't there in the early game.

{ if they close it ... people will still ascend and buy runs from ascalon > ascention.}

Well that's easily closed as well, restrict ascension to lvl 16 or higher. Some things are just going to have to be on a "fixed basis" to bring back equality and eliminate a lot of this running around. Otherwise it's just a world of total chaos and everyone is going in every which a way direction.

I remember the big thing was to get to Yak's Bend for Expert Salvage kits and people selling them for rediculous high prices cause they were there already, then they put in merchants in the lower level areas now that sell expert salvage kits. Now they have done the same with "Rare Material" Npc Merchants, most likely soon "rune traders all right there in Ascalon. Then there was the "fur market exploit", once again people asking rediculous prices for furs. Then they put in a "collector" right there in Ascalon for 4 charr hides you get (1) fur square. And for those that don't know there's still the exploiters who would buy all the charr hides for 30-50gp and then turn them in and then sell the fur squares for 300gp a pop. It amazes me the cheese and greed I see in these games. Just amazes me the "true nature of many people comes out in them." The EVIL the CORRUPTED the HATEFUL and DISGUSTING. lol I see it everyday, and I thought humanity was civilized. lol
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